{"id":1267,"date":"2019-11-04T19:06:13","date_gmt":"2019-11-05T02:06:13","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/pastormathis.com\/?p=1267"},"modified":"2019-11-04T19:11:38","modified_gmt":"2019-11-05T02:11:38","slug":"monday-musings-kanye-west-and-1000-converts","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/pastormathis.com\/index.php\/2019\/11\/04\/monday-musings-kanye-west-and-1000-converts\/","title":{"rendered":"Monday Musings: Kanye West and 1000 Converts"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>No, this is not a\nrant about Kanye West being a fake Christian. It is not about him being a\nChristian at all. It is more about facts and observations. What can be drawn\nfrom them remains to be seen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"471\" height=\"450\" src=\"http:\/\/pastormathis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Kanye-Converts_Cross_2019-471x450.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1268\" srcset=\"https:\/\/pastormathis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Kanye-Converts_Cross_2019-471x450.png 471w, https:\/\/pastormathis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Kanye-Converts_Cross_2019-285x272.png 285w, https:\/\/pastormathis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Kanye-Converts_Cross_2019.png 671w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 471px) 100vw, 471px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Over the weekend it\nwas reported that there were 1000 converts at Kanye&#8217;s worship service. This\nreport\u2014offered as a known fact\u2014comes from one eye-witness:&nbsp; CurvinMusic, a <a href=\"https:\/\/mycrossroads.org\/about\/our-leaders\/\">Student Ministries Pastor<\/a>\nwho specializes in music. On Instagram he&nbsp;\npresented a picture of upraised hands with a large cross in the\nbackground, stating,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-media-text alignwide has-media-on-the-right\"><figure class=\"wp-block-media-text__media\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"323\" height=\"450\" src=\"http:\/\/pastormathis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Kanye-Converts_1000-Converts_2019-323x450.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1269\" srcset=\"https:\/\/pastormathis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Kanye-Converts_1000-Converts_2019-323x450.png 323w, https:\/\/pastormathis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Kanye-Converts_1000-Converts_2019-195x272.png 195w, https:\/\/pastormathis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Kanye-Converts_1000-Converts_2019.png 463w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 323px) 100vw, 323px\" \/><\/figure><div class=\"wp-block-media-text__content\">\n<p style=\"font-size:24px\">\n\n&#8220;In a crowd of 6,000 people from all walks of life, all ages, and all races, i witnessed over 1,000 people respond to The Gospel by raising their hands to accept Jesus as their Lord &amp; Savior!&#8221;\n\n<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>Following his link\nto the church that hosted-but-did-not-host the event, @bethany_church, one can\nscroll through the photos of the event as offered by Bethany Church of Baton\nRouge (at least one of its <a href=\"https:\/\/bethany.com\/\">five campuses<\/a>). <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\n\nYou can see a photo of their first of two pastors speaking (his <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/bethany_church\/\">wife<\/a> is the other pastor). Interestingly, the church offered a legal disclaimer explaining that this was a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.eventbrite.com\/e\/kanye-west-sunday-service-brunch-tickets-66351215271?aff=affiliate1\">nationsevent.com event<\/a>. But apparently it was on or near the grounds of Bethany&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/bethany.com\/campuses\/south-baton-rouge\">South Baton Rouge campus<\/a> as indicated by the large crosses. \n\n<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-gallery alignleft columns-1 is-cropped wp-block-gallery-1 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\"><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"385\" height=\"450\" src=\"http:\/\/pastormathis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Bethany-Church-Pastor_Kanye-Converts_2019-1-385x450.png\" alt=\"\" data-id=\"1270\" data-link=\"http:\/\/pastormathis.com\/?attachment_id=1270\" class=\"wp-image-1270\" srcset=\"https:\/\/pastormathis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Bethany-Church-Pastor_Kanye-Converts_2019-1-385x450.png 385w, https:\/\/pastormathis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Bethany-Church-Pastor_Kanye-Converts_2019-1-232x272.png 232w, https:\/\/pastormathis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Bethany-Church-Pastor_Kanye-Converts_2019-1.png 458w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 385px) 100vw, 385px\" \/><\/figure><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Browsing at\nhigh-speed through the various Youtube videos of the event, there does not seem\nto be a full recording yet. The majority of the videos is music oriented. The\nevent was two hours long and there was a sermon by an unknown pastor. It was\nabout blind Bartimaeus. There are two snippets of the sermon on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/p\/B4XnXw6l9Cu\/\">this Instagram posting<\/a>\n(first and third video). <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Beyond the\nsimplistic and energetic preaching style (neither wrong per se), it is hard to\ntell if sin, repentance or Christ was clearly and accurately proclaimed. As the\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.sermonaudio.com\/sermoninfo.asp?SID=11319197215\">story of\nApollos shows<\/a>, zeal for truth must be accompanied by teaching the &#8220;way\nof God more accurately&#8221; (Acts 18:26). <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The claim of 1000\nconverts is not accompanied by a claim of 1000 baptisms. This fits the Billy\nGraham model\u2014or at least the Franklin Graham model. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-gallery alignright columns-1 is-cropped wp-block-gallery-2 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\"><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"320\" height=\"450\" src=\"http:\/\/pastormathis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Kanye-Converts_Sermon-Summary_2019-1-320x450.png\" alt=\"\" data-id=\"1271\" data-link=\"http:\/\/pastormathis.com\/?attachment_id=1271\" class=\"wp-image-1271\" srcset=\"https:\/\/pastormathis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Kanye-Converts_Sermon-Summary_2019-1-320x450.png 320w, https:\/\/pastormathis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Kanye-Converts_Sermon-Summary_2019-1-194x272.png 194w, https:\/\/pastormathis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Kanye-Converts_Sermon-Summary_2019-1.png 586w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 320px) 100vw, 320px\" \/><\/figure><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>I took some training\nfrom their organization a few years back when they came through Denver. It did\nnot matter that I was a seasoned pastor trained and recognized by my\ndenomination; I had to follow the Graham script by giving any potential\nconverts the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.christianbook.com\/my-commitment-tri-fold\/9781593282523\/pd\/282523\">&#8220;My\nCommitment&#8221; pamphlet<\/a>. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And I could not\ncounsel them on my own or direct them to my church or another. All such\nconverts would be followed up with directions to the nearest church, even Roman\nCatholic churches. And the pamphlet makes no mention of baptism. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Needless to say, I\ndropped out of the training.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So what is going on\nwith Kanye West? Time will tell. But until then, let us be cautious and\ncareful, realizing we do not know the whole story. But we do have a known\nhistory of the fruits Arminian, revivalistit, Billy Graham-esque, celebrity\nevents. 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